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Lately I have been just blowing my money on commissions, because like anyone else here I enjoy seeing my characters in other styles. But I am going to be honest, only about 20% of the work I have even received was actually decent. I noticed that a lot of the art I was getting was half ass crap that looks nothing like the work the artist actually has displayed. Not only that, but every time I received one of those awful pictures the artist wouldn't even upload it, they just sent me a link from like photobucket or some shit. Like they were ashamed of it.

I really wish I wasn't so nice... I just keep my mouth shut and pretend I actually like it, but I have something to say to those of you who have done this to one of your commissioners. If you don't feel like drawing, if you're just not in the mood, don't fucking force it out like you're trying to take a constipated dump. Seriously, I will wait, I will wait forever for some quality artwork, but I won't stand for anything that doesn't have your heart and soul put in to it. Especially when I pay good money. Some of my favorite artists have actually broken my heart because of how poor the art was. Just flat out disappointed.

I think this is why I am starting to prefer art trades, because I feel like I'm just throwing all of my money out of the window. I mean, one of the artists I commissioned got $40 from me, and then just completely disappeared. POOF! Goodbye money, I hope that the artist is actually making good use of you.

Some of you may think of me like hypocrite because of events around a year ago, but if you know me well enough, you'll understand that I was doing my best with the rough situation I was in. Recently I have only been opening small commissions that I know I can finish and that I will have fun with. And I only work when I am in the mood which means I take a little longer. Another reason why I don't charge very much for my work.

If I have ever disappointed any of you after you have commissioned me, please... just tell me. It's your money you're spending so I want you to feel like you're getting what you paid for. (please don't take advantage of that either)

Anyway... yeh
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ZeFlyingMuppet Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't do requests or commissions XD bad experience, let's just say that.



But no kidding. That's why you gotta keep an eye out for good artists, getting a request is just a bonus.
Just don't find someone who draws like this and ask for a commission, it's not worth the risk:
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh sorry, I just now read that right, and realized you were commenting on this journal. x_x
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ZeFlyingMuppet Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Aw that's ok xD I can see why you'd be confused, it is an older journal to be commenting on.
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What is this supposed to be?
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wolfsjourney Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Well, it's a tough deal.
You can shell out the big bucks and gamble on what you could get out of an artist's commission, or you can gamble on an art trade.
Either way it costs something. (See the old adage: "Time is money.") It costs someone either the time to put together a project or it costs someone the time to make the money to pay them.
That investment needs to be worth the money the customer is paying and the time and effort that the artist puts into a piece. And above all, it needs to be a mutual deal.
If the artist can't do a good job for the customer, they need to take steps to address issues that negatively affect the transaction (aka "bad"/poor quality/rushed art, overpricing, bad communication, etc...)
The customer, on the other hand, needs to provide clear directions and communicate to the artist what they would like in exchange. Also, they need to pay well and on time. We artists gotta eat, too.

That's my take.
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Sunut Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Thats why if you use money u should pay after its done, thats what i do,
but its very mean to just disspear :/
and well, i would never give 40,- for something, its kinda much for just a drawing, but thats just me
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Sidonie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Wow, I am quite shocked to read this journal and the comments! I cannot believe how many disappointed people. I simply couldn't give a piece I wasn't proud of to a paying customer, even free things like kiriban's I always try my best. And I agree, if there are circumstances preventing good work, or one just doesn't feel up to it, waiting until the proper work can be done should be necessary. I'm glad you said something publicly, but you have to remember if you are a paying client that you have rights too, and they need to be addressed. I would also in the future try to find artists who have a terms of service posted, and make sure they claim to alter anything you feel needs altering. I know it's not foolproof, but you could make more of a stink about it I think :P

Let me know if you would ever like to do a trade, I would love to :D
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marinarts Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ugh so I bought my first commission the other week and this happened ot me ;__; I spend $50 on it and it's like... I wish I wouldn't have even bothered. I could have bought some new art books or something.
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Roneri Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
I kind of feel left down the last day when someone uploaded the part of an art trade that I waited for her 5 months for her part,(I finished mine in time) she gave me a picture that was way different than her style or what she could do, she could had done it better and I feel left down for waiting those 5 months :c btw I am finishing my part and I hope you like it I did it in some shorta cartoonish style XD
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know exactly how you feel :/ kinda makes you feel like they didn't appreciate your side of the trade, huh?
I try to keep a steady style, but I mess around so much. That's why when I do art trades, I usually do my 'pose' style, like the one I did for you. I love that style, it's so fun!
I can't wait to see :heart:
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Enaxn Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I dunno. I just perused your faves, and maybe you're just not faving all those apparently horrific images drawn for you, but what you did fave looks fine to me? You can't always get every artist's best piece, sorry. And hopefully this inspires you to say something! If you had commissioned me and I had finished something for you, and you said nothing, and then I read this, I'd be heartbroken in all honesty. It's just as much your job to speak up as it is the artist's job to draw for you if you're not satisfied. I'm certain they didn't intentionally produce something subpar for just *you*!
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Keberyna Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
:thumbsup:

As much as it can be disappointing to get stuff not as you expected, I definitely agree with this. I would also never just...ignore it or not comment or fave on it, because in the long run, you don't really know what the person's going through at the moment (could be emotional) and they at least took the time to work on something for you. Granted, you did PAY for it, but the payments on dA are so minimal than actual art commissions out there...that I don't even know.

Sorry to rant out on your comment there, it just sorta stood out. ^^;
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Enaxn Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahaha no worries! :heart: I feel like you're really not doing the artist any favors either. You may feel like you're being polite in just silently letting it go or publicly and non-specifically ranting about it later, but if an artist is starting to let their quality slip, they could probably stand to have it pointed out to them! I've been that pointing-out commissioner before, and I've never had an artist mad at me or anything when I told them! You worked hard for your money, and if you don't think that what you got was worth it, then you should speak up! The worst that can happen is that the artist can say no, haha! And if you catch them in the early stages or it's a small commission, they'll usually re-do it for you. Idk. I feel like everyone loses if the commissioner just sucks it up and whines elsewhere <__<

SORRY counter-rant there xD
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Keberyna Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Student General Artist
This is so late...I'm really sorry! And this conversation may not apply anymore, but I'd figure I'd give my response to this anyway. ^^;

I totally understand what you mean and completely agree with you. You just KNOW the person did not spend your money's worth on time on your commission and it's pretty blatantly obvious in some cases. I know I'm guilty of not mentioning it to them, mostly because I'm terribly shy about it and don't want to make them feel bad...but sometimes you just have to. I prefer that than to have them feel guilty about it afterwards and like you said, non specifically pinpoint it after. And if I notice they are going through a hard time and such, then I'll understand.

And I know this is probably pinpointing at the original poster of this journal in the first place, but COMMUNICATION is key. This is something that irks me about this particular person, because then they complain elsewhere afterwards, when you tried to asked them what was wrong in the first place. Unfortunately there are many people like that on here...

Another mini-rant...long overdue. You can choose to ignore this, I just felt bad not having it replied to after so long!
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BubblyTheFox Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
.n. I've felt the same way. But like you, I can't stand to say anything, because I feel like they've put their time into it & I should be grateful.. But then again.. Weh ;n;
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
And people wonder why I take a long time for commissions that I charge a fair amount for. Because I DON'T want to jack them out of their money.
This is also why I get so pissed off when people whine, nag, or threaten for a refund... it's like 'so you'd rather I rush the work you've paid for and have it fast than wait and get something worth your payment?'
I've had it happen as well and yes, it's frustrating to send someone money in good faith you're going to get something awesome in return and you wind up getting duped.



It's one thing if an artist CAN and knows they are capable of getting artwork done quickly and can still give good/great quality, but I honestly don't think an artist of any kind should give less than a couple months for a waiting period. If you're motivated and take only 2 commissions at a time, then fine... but if you have a job, a life, and other assorted things that could/will interfere with your artistic time... then at least be honest with your commissioners. If they're not willing to wait in favor of great quality, then they can buy art elsewhere. Know what I mean?

As they say, the Sistine chapel was not painted in a day... Granted, that was a masterpiece and all according to everyone... but good/great art TAKES TIME. Not just money...
Sorry for the mini rant XD
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Keberyna Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
As much as I hate to say this, this is exactly why it's taking me so long to get your commission done and why I would never accept payment until the end when the commissioner is pleased.
I know how much a character can mean to you and how satisfying it can be to see them in another's style. I also know what it feels like to pay a load of money and get something unexpectedly mediocre in return...it really sucks. And like you, I rather wait ages for something good rather than something half-assed.
Regarding your commission though, I'm slowly working on different composition sketches when I have the time, because I want to get it right. I've also been super busy in the past few months, but as soon as I'm pleased with what I have I will always be sure to send you progress shots (especially since it's a full piece).
I'm really sorry for taking so long, but I definitely hope not to disappoint!
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AmuroNOVA Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
That's why I have issues with completing things at a decent time XD because everything I try ends up looking like crap :P
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Hakamorra Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're being nothing but honest hun, and I respect you for putting this out there. I honestly wouldn't have the guts to.
Even though I do not sell or trade my art [because I see it unworthy in the quality it is in as of now] I still see what you're getting at.
Art is something to take pride in; you want the seer/buyer to look at it and say "Wow! I remember who drew this! Such amazing work!" Not look at it and have a disappointed expression.

I thank you for writing this and getting it out there. Blunt honesty is needed in our days of faceless lies.
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Night-Anders Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student General Artist
I know how you must be feeling, I've seen that happening a lot. I must admit that I'm a terribly slow artist, it takes months for me to finish an order due to the fact I'm always getting art blocks or having other complications that kill my inspiration, but if I think I still have conditions to complete the order, I try my best... otherwise I just cancel the order and give the comissioner their payment back. *shrugs*.

What pisses me off is that most artists usually display their best of the best art pieces as comission examples to attract comissioners. They should at least display their regular art so people can get an idea of what they might receive instead of that master artwork. They need to be realistic XP. I enjoy art trades because both sides win something they like: art of their characters. But unfortunately these things also happen in art trades, I've seen many cases where an artist spends days and days in an art piece to satisfy the other person... only to receive artwork of poor quality, nothing like their normal style, as the other half of the trade, it's very frustrating.
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0okamiseishin Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't usually commission other people because I'm afraid of that happening. ^^; When I take commissions I tend to take a long time since I want them to be perfect. It would really upset me if they put no effort in it so I don't want to do that to anyone else. I also send a couple wip pictures so I can fix any errors or anything beforehand.

You could also do the pay half now half later thing. Then you won't lose everything if they just quit. For me They pay first and get the sketch and they pay the rest to get the final picture.
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Jenny2-point-0 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
i've never rushed people as i know people have their own life and all that and you have to be in the mood to draw. but what annoys me is when they dont get my characters right :/
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Mercivorex Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Might I suggest you pay afterwards? And let the artist know ahead of time that you won't pay if you're not satisfied with the artwork they've done, or will only pay half the money if you are unsatisfied (so they still get paid and don't get pissy with you)? It sucks to give up money and not be satisfied with what you get in return. And you do seem like a nice person, which makes it all the more unfair. :[
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dollphinwing Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Yeah that really sucks, the only time I sent someone a sub-par commission was when they could only pay half of what I usually ask for, I told her it won't be as good as my other work and she was fine with that, she just really wanted a doll from me but couldn't pay full so I did it for her as best I could with what I got.
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painted-flamingo Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012
Personally, I warn people who commission me ahead of time I take foreverrrr to do commissions sometimes because I always wait till I'm feeling in "the mood" to draw it. That being said I just do points commissions and don't charge much anyway, but still I feel like you owe it to a commissioner to do your best work for them every time.
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xcrybaby Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
idk if this is geared towards me or not but.. my feelings are hurt. if i remember correctly, you commissioned me for a piece of your gorgeous amazingtastic character, the one with the flower petals for a mane, it's like a plant monster thing and when i submitted it and showed you the finished product, you didn't even bother to comment on it or say thank you.

if you were unhappy with it, i'd MUCH rather you simply tell me so we can work out how i could have fixed it, like through livestream or something. i would have been more than happy to draw something else for you.
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**looked to see if you had been taking anymore commissions elsewhere but my searching usually come up empty :(
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not geared towards you at all, I commissioned you a long time ago, this is all recent stuff. I'm pretty sure that everyone here on DA is cool, these were all incidents on other websites or in real life. I didn't mean to hurt you :(

If I don't recall you actually gave me a nice discount for the pose, so I have no right to complain, plus, as I see it, it was actually quite beautiful and I used it as my signature on a few sites... I'm sorry I never said anything... I'm not usually that talkative...

In fact I loo
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xcrybaby Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
ohhh... man lmao now i feel dumb. it's unfortunate that you're having issues with other artists though, and especially issues with commission work.

it's funny because personally, i have issues with art trades more than with paid work. like people i trade with are all unhappy with their finished stuff from me and it's annoying but i think that i should be more clear in stating that art trades are completely experimental for me. like i had a trader literally go "sincerely, fuck you." to me and LMAO that was just 10x worse than if they said "i hate it, draw something else that sucks less"

sorry for the mix-up :[ if you ever want to commission me again, shoot me a PM, i'm kind of like perpetually open to offers and i'm a fan of haggling and stuff more than set prices and topics and posts and journals and official straightening-of-ties stuff, haha.
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ariadnedalua Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student General Artist
I just commissioned once, and it was with Da points actually, But I agree with you. If you're offering commission you have to be responsible, since you're offering a service. You're being paid so you have to make a good work on it, I think we call it as professionalism also.
But it goes beyond the money, I thing that art isn't something to just draw and wait to it turn into money, It's more like you said, heart and soul, That's what makes a real artwork. And it makes me sad when I see pieces that miss that =\ art is much more than just pics. It takes more than just working for a few hours at the computer, (or at the paper)...
Aside just the commission works, I have been seeing this all over this art community. Art isn't something with soul and feeling anymore, is just one more shit to be sold (Excuse me for the "strong" words xD) even the "daily" artwork are like that. I could be wrong but I have been missing that magic in overall...

I saw once one artist that didn't drew the hands of the commissioned work just because they said that hands are difficult to draw! (Hands are damn difficult, Truly. But we all have to train drawing them hahaha).
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Key2Immortality Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've only ever been commissioned once (sadly, because it was fun), but I kept her up to date on progress with sta.sh updates and I always sent her a note at least every other day with said updates or why I hadn't made much progress.
I felt I owed that much to her at least. I did the best I could on it and she and her mother both really liked it (so I guess I succeeded?). I also felt that I owed it to her (and anyone who commissions me) to let them know that my husband and son come first and that if (like you said) I'm just not 'feeling it', then it won't happen until I do.

I probably seem fairly annoying...with all the notes I sent to her and such, but...I dunno. I just know a lot of people who have waited years and years for a commission. Heck, I've waited over a year for an art trade (and am still waiting). XD

.......I'm realizing that I have no idea if what I just typed even pertained to anything you just said -___-
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Estae Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly. This is why I don't take commissions. Whenever someone asks me to draw something for them, it just feels so forced. It either takes me some 3 months to get inspiration for their drawing, or I rush it and it looks like shit. I did this twice and I felt so guilty about it. I apologized to the commissioners and offered a refund- but neither took it. Now I simply don't take commissions. I don't want to feel rushed and art-blocked about drawing. Every now and then I'll do an art trade or gift art, and that usually works out a lot better for me. I get more creative freedom and it just feels better to do. I completely agree, I'd rather do art trades than commissions any day.
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JamJams Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know how you feel, I've paid good money for commissions only to get some of them that was either sub par compared to their original art, OR they completely took my money and vanished. :/ This is why I honestly lost all desire to commission people, because I just don't see spending $90+ for something that may or may not come out decent.

I will say this though, the good commissioners have out weighed the bad, but really a lot of people I have commissioned have just burned me horribly.
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GunChica Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I have to agree with this completely.
I've seen this happen many times before, and it always kinda bothered me. Unless you're being rushed and bitched at by the person who paid for the commission, I wouldn't rush it either. (I hate people like that >.>)
And this makes me comfortable with you, saying I WILL be buying from you one day in the future. (If i ever get moeny >.>) Tells me you are a hard worker and believe in doing your best work for money <3

I laughed my ass off when I read the bold words 8D
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with your second statement. I have been rushed on things before, and it does make me sloppy with the work because I'm worried about an unsatisfied customer. I try to keep my composure but sometimes I go over the edge. :I
That makes me feel good. I like to feel like a person sometimes, and not just an artist. I want people to trust me and I feel really bad when I disappoint someone.

I'm glad someone did XD
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GunChica Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Yes, I see too many people yelling and getting angry, demanding art from the artist. I wouldn't mind waiting for a decent picture, and would never rush (unless they never finished it in like, two years) an artist.
Hehe, well i'm glad, because you truly do, do astounding work, and I will certainly buy from in you the future <3

Yet it's so true XD
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That-CrazyCat Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
That's how I feel with art trades. They either don't upload it, or I get stuff like...I can't link, I think that's against dA rules if I'm criticizing with a link, right? :/
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's not against the rules I don't think. I've done it plenty of times before.
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That-CrazyCat Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I could note you if you're curious, I'm paranoid because the last time I linked the original person found out and there was a lot of dA-drama over it on my page for awhile until I hid the comments.

Anyway, I understand completely, and will post a journal of my own with a message to my commissioners. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf, I used to rush through commissions and I think only one person called me out on it. :/
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah it's okay. I'd rather not get someone in trouble over my curiosity. I just hope that everyone is leaving you alone now. I hate DArama :/

Yeah, you should really take time on your work. It makes it so much more worth it in the end. :)
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That-CrazyCat Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, I had to delete some stuff but the fire's all put out now. dArama is funny when it happens to other people but when it's yourself... xD

It does, I think that comes with a level of maturity too. I just jumped right in on commissions without thinking, and I believe a lot of others are doing so as well.
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TwilitTiger Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's usually how it is with me and art trades, actually :/ I've been waiting more than 2 years for some things, and when I ask on how it's going or if it's done, they give me a photobucket or stash link, which makes me upset because usually it's super poor quality too. I'm too nice to say I'm just plain upset though, so I suck it up. Some art trades were from when I wasn't as good at art, so sometimes I do think I wasn't worth a trade with the person anyway, haha. Commissions, I've been satisfied with so far aside from a few. Sometimes they get my characters wrong but I'm too afraid to say anything, or it's not really how I pictured it to be >< I won't go into depth about those people, though. I'm glad I'm not the only one :/
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I hope I have never disappointed you. I always work extra hard on things I make for you because you're truly an amazing and kind person. Plus you're a really good friend and have been there since... I was like 14, so what... 5 years? I'm not sure, it feels that way.

I hope those people get justice!
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TwilitTiger Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ooooh no, you've always satisfied <3 I love the Ahriens and Icarus you've made me, they look beautiful in your style :3 I really need to make some arts for you D: Oh, by the way, since most of those statues I sent you broke, you don't have to make me art if you want, or you could do something small for for whatever survived D: I'd totally send you this picture thing I have of a wolf if I had a box that fit it :<

I hope they do too! >:'O
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HyruleHy Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
THANK YOU FOR THIS.
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome? XD
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HyruleHy Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
XD
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CoartJester Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Mmhmm
Tell em, girl/boifran
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Daexmos Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
OH yeh
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EncounterEthereal Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   Digital Artist
WOO!!! I feel the same way! It's why I rarely commission people. When I do commissions I take a long time because I want to do a good job so when my muse fades, I stop =)
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